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	<title>Comments on: Cognitive Irreversibility and the Limits of Nomadic Life</title>
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		<title>By: Nicole Tedesco</title>
		<link>http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/cognitive-irreversibility-limits-of-nomadic-life/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole Tedesco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 02:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See also, my latest post,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/cognitive-entropy-and-cognitive-informatics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/cognitive-entropy-and-cognitive-informatics/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also, my latest post,</p>
<p><a href="http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/cognitive-entropy-and-cognitive-informatics/" rel="nofollow">http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/cognitive-entropy-and-cognitive-informatics/</a></p>
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		<title>By: D. Eric Franks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Eric Franks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I&#039;m going to reply and say: I like it! Definitely! Read it a couple of times, but I don&#039;t know where to start, not because it&#039;s bad, but because it is so broad! Just random ideas that popped into my mind this reading:

- Lots of stuff isn&#039;t reversible, stuff more fundamental than behavior, right? Deterministic video games (by definition computable?) can&#039;t really be run backwards from save points, thus you have journaling saves (which runs a game forward) or waypoint saves. So does &quot;computable&quot; = &quot;reversible&quot;?
- Induction is very limited in what it can do, formally anyhow, as you note. Deduction is much more powerful.
- Superstitions are wildly advantageous and I think you underestimate their importance in learning and survival, while you do clearly recognize the problems they cause. We humans are obsessive pattern finders and false positives are rarely as harmful as missing a pattern that kills you or causes you to lose big money. Again, as you note, finding a pattern (superstition) is magnitudes easier than divesting (paring) yourself of that false pattern.

(Sorry if this driveby is just incoherent rambling...but you did get me thinking, so thanks!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m going to reply and say: I like it! Definitely! Read it a couple of times, but I don&#8217;t know where to start, not because it&#8217;s bad, but because it is so broad! Just random ideas that popped into my mind this reading:</p>
<p>- Lots of stuff isn&#8217;t reversible, stuff more fundamental than behavior, right? Deterministic video games (by definition computable?) can&#8217;t really be run backwards from save points, thus you have journaling saves (which runs a game forward) or waypoint saves. So does &#8220;computable&#8221; = &#8220;reversible&#8221;?<br />
- Induction is very limited in what it can do, formally anyhow, as you note. Deduction is much more powerful.<br />
- Superstitions are wildly advantageous and I think you underestimate their importance in learning and survival, while you do clearly recognize the problems they cause. We humans are obsessive pattern finders and false positives are rarely as harmful as missing a pattern that kills you or causes you to lose big money. Again, as you note, finding a pattern (superstition) is magnitudes easier than divesting (paring) yourself of that false pattern.</p>
<p>(Sorry if this driveby is just incoherent rambling&#8230;but you did get me thinking, so thanks!)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Tedesco</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole Tedesco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan, I am fascinated by the idea that the human inductive process reverses informational entropy.  I wonder sometimes if this is the defining characteristic of consciousness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, I am fascinated by the idea that the human inductive process reverses informational entropy.  I wonder sometimes if this is the defining characteristic of consciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Tedesco</title>
		<link>http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/cognitive-irreversibility-limits-of-nomadic-life/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicole Tedesco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks.

Update here: http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/cataloging-cognitive-phenomena-using-reversibility-criteria/

I am struggling with this pet hypothesis of mine.  An informational entropy analysis might be useful, but it may be nothing more than a loose metaphor.  I don&#039;t want to be fooled by confirmation bias and all that, so I am trying hard to keep a more objective frame of mind.

I am going to read some texts in behavioral economics next and see what I come up with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Update here: <a href="http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/cataloging-cognitive-phenomena-using-reversibility-criteria/" rel="nofollow">http://nicoletedesco.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/cataloging-cognitive-phenomena-using-reversibility-criteria/</a></p>
<p>I am struggling with this pet hypothesis of mine.  An informational entropy analysis might be useful, but it may be nothing more than a loose metaphor.  I don&#8217;t want to be fooled by confirmation bias and all that, so I am trying hard to keep a more objective frame of mind.</p>
<p>I am going to read some texts in behavioral economics next and see what I come up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Harrison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love your copper wire analogy.  I particularly love the analogy because it&#039;s inapt to group theory but apt to conceptuation, stereotyping, or other lossy techniques for data / image compression.

At every die, there is a fraction of copper that gets scraped / sticks to the die surfaces / gets lost.  At the end of the draw, slightly less mass exits as wire than came in as ingot.  The &quot;lost&quot; mass has of course been conserved - somewhere in the wire plant - and if it were doped with radioactive trackers, could almost entirely be located.

I agree that information loss is fundamental to cognition.  There&#039;s research showing that we learn by deleting neuronal connections, similar to the way an old school punch card works.  There&#039;s an informational entropy theory of gravity ... IT may end up being the grand theory of how thigns work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your copper wire analogy.  I particularly love the analogy because it&#8217;s inapt to group theory but apt to conceptuation, stereotyping, or other lossy techniques for data / image compression.</p>
<p>At every die, there is a fraction of copper that gets scraped / sticks to the die surfaces / gets lost.  At the end of the draw, slightly less mass exits as wire than came in as ingot.  The &#8220;lost&#8221; mass has of course been conserved &#8211; somewhere in the wire plant &#8211; and if it were doped with radioactive trackers, could almost entirely be located.</p>
<p>I agree that information loss is fundamental to cognition.  There&#8217;s research showing that we learn by deleting neuronal connections, similar to the way an old school punch card works.  There&#8217;s an informational entropy theory of gravity &#8230; IT may end up being the grand theory of how thigns work.</p>
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